Discussion in 'General Sako Discussions' started by Charles Witt, Aug 1, 2020.
I'm in Australia so can't recommend any stateside
I agree. And I have seen no evidence that the Postal Service is subsidizing Amazon. While no detailed accounting is available, my reading of sources including the Wall Street Journal suggests that USPS is making a modest profit (contribution to overhead) from the Amazon deal.
Being a 30+ year trapshooter, I have to say nobody "screws around" with guns more than trapshooters! I've seen broken shotgun stocks like that, re-surface for sale years later that had been repaired and you couldn't tell they were even fractured, let alone broken in half (after a complete re-finish, and re-checkering job). Now, I'd agree that the prolonged recoil from a '06 vs a 12ga with trap loads is substantially different. Myself, I'd ask a few stock guys I know their opinion, but they'd probably just say "let's just build you a new stock".
On the topic of UPS, a week ago I sent (via ground) a high-grade Perazzi forearm to my gunsmith in TX to sell at the upcoming Grand American trapshoot. I insured it for $400 (plus the $100 that all packages carry). It arrived last Friday in 4 pieces! He didn't sign for it, but someone at the shop did. He texted me immediately when he saw that the box was compromised, then started taking pictures as he opened the box. Detailing my double boxed packing job and the "pillows and bubble wrap". I've sent off my claim info, pictures of the forearm before and after. etc. I normally take pictures of the boxing process, but I neglected this time. I just found the receipt yesterday for the purchase of the stock/forearm, so I'll send that off if needed, but from the horror stories, I'm preparing myself for a fight/screwing from UPS. This is the first issue I've ever had with UPS in 25 years of sending guns across the US, and some fairly expensive ones at that, of which I've always had total confidence in UPS. Not anymore (maybe I'll be surprised??)!
Really sorry about your misfortune!
Why you accepted it is your decision, but I wouldn't have. 30-06 rifles are certainly not rare. If you did get compensated, and you decided to keep the rifle, I would recommend getting a new stock.
Why have a deluxe rifle with a repaired stock?
Ouch I feel your pain Sometime wonder if UPS has some anti gun workers who intentionally damage them. Good luck
But they HAD a job and were working.
Next time some fool comes up with the idea that banning gun shows and private sales will stop gun crime, I'll send them that article.
UPS will only ship handguns by next day air because so many were getting stolen if they went regular ground shipping. So, not only do their employees intentionally damage firearms, they are criminals, as well.
That's actually a BATF regulation, not just UPS. As I recall, dealers can use 2-day between FFL holders, but a private party shipping to a dealer has to use next day. An FFL can ship a handgun to another FFL by USPS, but a private citizen cannot. I researched this a while back when I sent a handgun to a C&R holder in Connecticut. The BATF regs, and the rules applied by each carrier, were unbelievably complex. If I've misstated anything here, it's an honest mistake.
Oh, and the reason BATF wrote the rule on shipping handguns was a previous incident with UPS employees stealing handguns from packages. This was in Virginia, back when I lived there in the 90's and early 2000's.
Thanks for the clarification, icebear! I know all the handguns that come into the gunshop I smith for all come regular ground, but they all come from distributors. I have purchased handguns from individuals off the net that shipped ground to the shop(FFL). So is it possible they were in violation shipping that way? Seems they have come from multiple shipping services addressed to a gun shop, so it's not like they were hiding it. Can't be too careful with this stuff. I need to research some more!!
Let us know what you find. I'm not sure I got every jot and tittle right.Between BATF, UPS, and FedEx I was seeing double by the time I'd read all three sets of rules, which of course are written in a mixture of legalese and Sanskrit. In any case, I doubt that every box containing a handgun is declared or that every storefront shipping shop knows much about BATF regulations on shipping firearms. At the end of the day, enforcement is on the honor system or if the package is X-rayed by somebody who actually knows the regs. And the BATF regs are far too complex and contradictory for a mere mortal to comprehend. A while back, I helped a friend sell off her late husband's gun collection, which included an old .410 single shot pistol. That's an NFA item in its original form, but if you cut rifling in the barrel, it's just a single shot pistol. We sold that one out of state and that's when I did the research on the shipping regs. My friend is a retired detective-investigator with extensive legal knowledge (she worked for the DA), and she was absolutely dumbfounded by the complexity, internal contradictions, and downright silliness of the BATF rule book.
Several years ago, before I retired, I got home from work one day to find a box the size of a rifle on my front doorstep. It turned out to contain a very collectible Sako I had bought out of the Gun List from some rancher in Wyoming who'd been using it for a saddle gun. I mean that literally; he told me on the phone he used it as a saddle gun and he had removed the front sight to keep it from cutting a hole in his scabbard. I sent him the FFL of the dealer I used for transfers and told him to ship there, but he sort of spaced that and just mailed me the rifle (which I still have). Ordinary parcel post, no signature required. That was a jaw-dropper, but fortunately I lived in a good neighborhood and nobody snatched the gun off the porch before I got home. The other jaw-dropper was that I thought I was getting an L579 Mannlicher carbine in .308 and when I opened the box is was a much more rare full-length rifle with a Mannlicher stock. I did not complain about the misunderstanding.
No, it is not BATF regulation, it is an internal policy of UPS that leaked over to Fedex. They both are anti gun and don’t care if they ship any or not. When it does come to a damage claim, they will fight it and find something wrong with how it was packaged and deny the claim.
UPS sucks and Fedex can kiss my ax too...
I always ship with USPS because I have a post office right next to my house and it's most convenient, and the postmaster in my small town is a 2nd amendment supporter.
As far as receiving guns, I just let the seller choose. This is the second time that I had a gun show up broken in two by UPS. The other one was a beautiful .222 heavy barrel. That one got sent back to the dealer.
For what it's worth, neither of the packages appeared to me to be intentionally damaged. Both rifles were pretty poorly packaged (by my standards) and floating around in lightweight boxes.
I have taken to contacting sellers directly and questioning how the rifle is going to be shipped, and in some cases, requesting that it be shipped in a hard case, if possible.
An excellent idea. A low-end hard case can be had as cheap as 10-15 bucks, which is more than worth it to protect a $1000 gun from shipping damage.
I totally agree with paulson on this matter so keep it clean and free from any political discussions.
We all like guns and Sako here, no matter which political believes we have outside of the forums.
I have a C&R License, so occasionally have a qualified gun shipped directly to me. I live in the country behind a closed gate. I was away from home one night and when I got back the next day I found a box sitting in the ditch next to my gate, dropped there by UPS.
It was a Sako 7x33 Mannlicher.
Obviously, the shipper should have specified "adult signature", but it's pretty callous of UPS to simply drop an insured box which pretty obviously might contain a gun by the roadside of a public highway and simply drive off and leave it. Fortunately, the weather was nice, so it didn't get rained on, and passers-by apparently assumed the box was just a piece of roadside trash.
I had another occasion when UPS dropped a box of window blinds at an address two miles away. And yes, just like Lee Harvey Oswald's package of "window blinds", this box looked just like a gun box. Fortunately, the people who received it were kind enough to take the trouble to track us down and we recovered the window blinds.
I have my fingers crossed. Just got my tracking number, UPS!! I did contact them about shipping in a hard case and their reply was that they are not capable of d0ing that. They ship hundreds of guns a week and pack them very well. I tried to explain to them that no matter how well it is packed, a gorilla and a size 14 Redwing can still make a point. I did insure it but if it is damaged it can not be replaced. Not going to say where it is coming from or what it is at this time just wish me luck.
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