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I'm new here and have been reading up. I was surprised to find that the sako 75 is not very popular here. I have been seriously considering buying a new 280 in the synthetic/stainless sako 75. Am I wrong?
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Sako 75 synthetic/stainless
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deergoose
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Don't think you're wrong at all. I think the general concensus here is that the new synthetic stocks on the 75s are not as nice as on the older rifles. Particularly with the Fiberclass models, which had, I believe McMillan stocks on them that Sako purchased and installed on the guns. I'm not an owner of a synthetically stocked gun, so I just don't know enough about it. Also, there are fans here of the older, pre-Garcia imported Sako rifles, those made in the 50's, 60s and 70s. Then, the quality went down somewhat with the new models. But I think that this is the case with most gunmakers, all the way from Savage, Remington and Winchester to some of your upper end manufacturers like J.P. Sauer, Weatherby, Beretta and Sako....you know the cliche, "they just don't make them like they used to". I would buy if that's what you want to do. I'm going to buy a model 75 one day knowing full and well that the quality is not as good as other older Sakos that I have at home.
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Is it okay for me to buy into this discussion? I have just bought a Sako 75 Synthetic. Both my gun dealer [in Sydney] and sako made such a song and dance about it that I went for it. I have the 223, intending to use it on foxes, kangaroos, and feral dogs including dingoes. I should add that, although almost in plague proportions, it is illegal to shoot kangaroos without a permit. If you are a cattle man, as I am, it is heartbreaking to see great flocks of 'roos eating the pasture grass. The species of kangaroos in this area are anything but endangered. They are great to eat. Of course I will not shoot 'roos without a permit. Around here it is not uncommon for the authorities to direct a landowner to cull the 'roos on his property. The attraction of the Sako 75 rifle for me is that it is relatively light - I like to hunt on foot - and I have been told that the synthetic stock is more resistant to extremes of climate than the wooden stocks. The Remington Varmint - that I had in mind first - is too heavy for my purposes. I have a .303 Lee Enfield that I use on feral pigs. My dealer was so admant about the virtues of the Sako 75 that I dared not argue. Of course, he may well have been trying move slow moving stock.
deergoose
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I think your dealer was trying to do both. Promote a good gun and move some merchandise. Hope your .223 does everything that you intend it to do. One question: What are the size of kagaroos? They look big in the movies and I'm wondering how tough the .223 round is for killing power ??
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Hope y'all don't mind the two cents worth from the novice here. I think the Sythetic .223 might make a good compromise between accuracy and weight. In fact the diminutive action on the .222 family of Sakos allows a lighter weight gun, even with more meat in the barrel. I'd guess the 75 Synthetic Merriwa Jack has ordered will weigh around 6 and a half pounds (sorry, MJ, less than 3 kg). Don't think I would go any lighter if accuracy is a big concern.
Regarding the quality of the early Sakos, (pre Garcia) - the firm chose to compete in a market where Winchester and Colt still hand fit the Model 70s and Pythons. Brownings were still made by FN (and Sako), Colt rifles were Sauers and no self-respecting O'Conner type rifleman would be seen with a "cheap" Remington 722/721. The High Standard company still made world class target pistols and "Made in Japan" was not on the list of desired barrel markings. Today, the quality gap between high end and low end guns has diminshed quite a bit, but in all fairness, I think the low end guns have improved much more than the high end guns have diminished in quality. Today's technology and CNC machinery has taken automated mass production very near to the quality of the labor intensive high end guns of the past couple of decades as well as bringing back to life some well-loved models that were snuffed out because of the cost of skilled labor. The Model 70 is back, not quite to it's pre '64 level of fit, but it's a fine rifle by anyone's standards and just as, if not more accurate than the original - and you will see the High Standard marque in the winning equipment lists again. To me, there's no reason to doubt the new Sako design or manufacture. I have never been unhappy with the Sako rifle I've owned, regardless of its manufacturing date or importer - the early samples are smooth as silk and beautifully finished, the A series rifles are extremely accurate - the target/varmints will shoot with any factory rifle, (even the earlier Sako's with the desired Bofors label...) and outshoot the majority. The Finnfire, plastic trigger guard and all, has set new standards for accuracy in the BR-50 and silhouette competitions. I'm not a purist or afraid of change and I plan on giving the Model 75 a chance - Santa is bringing me a new varmint model for Christmas...
Good luck Merriwa Jack...Happy shooting all...
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Regarding the quality of the early Sakos, (pre Garcia) - the firm chose to compete in a market where Winchester and Colt still hand fit the Model 70s and Pythons. Brownings were still made by FN (and Sako), Colt rifles were Sauers and no self-respecting O'Conner type rifleman would be seen with a "cheap" Remington 722/721. The High Standard company still made world class target pistols and "Made in Japan" was not on the list of desired barrel markings. Today, the quality gap between high end and low end guns has diminshed quite a bit, but in all fairness, I think the low end guns have improved much more than the high end guns have diminished in quality. Today's technology and CNC machinery has taken automated mass production very near to the quality of the labor intensive high end guns of the past couple of decades as well as bringing back to life some well-loved models that were snuffed out because of the cost of skilled labor. The Model 70 is back, not quite to it's pre '64 level of fit, but it's a fine rifle by anyone's standards and just as, if not more accurate than the original - and you will see the High Standard marque in the winning equipment lists again. To me, there's no reason to doubt the new Sako design or manufacture. I have never been unhappy with the Sako rifle I've owned, regardless of its manufacturing date or importer - the early samples are smooth as silk and beautifully finished, the A series rifles are extremely accurate - the target/varmints will shoot with any factory rifle, (even the earlier Sako's with the desired Bofors label...) and outshoot the majority. The Finnfire, plastic trigger guard and all, has set new standards for accuracy in the BR-50 and silhouette competitions. I'm not a purist or afraid of change and I plan on giving the Model 75 a chance - Santa is bringing me a new varmint model for Christmas...
Good luck Merriwa Jack...Happy shooting all...
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Firstly, I do not know whether you got the message that said that I have settled on the Sako 75 Hunter Stainless [walnut stock].
Next: kangaroos vary in size from very small walabies the size of a big rabbit to powerful animals that stand over 6' tall. There are many species in different parts of the country differing in size and colour, from light grey to red. The various types are localised. The kind in our region are fairly big. I know from the experience of many local shooters that 222s and 223s are quite powerful enought for 'roos. Shots should be aimed at the head or chest.
Next: kangaroos vary in size from very small walabies the size of a big rabbit to powerful animals that stand over 6' tall. There are many species in different parts of the country differing in size and colour, from light grey to red. The various types are localised. The kind in our region are fairly big. I know from the experience of many local shooters that 222s and 223s are quite powerful enought for 'roos. Shots should be aimed at the head or chest.
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Thanks for that thoughtful message. I have in fact irreversibly settled on the Sako 75 Hunter Stainless [walnut stock]. The dealer allowed me to change my order. I am away from home at themoment so this message must be brief. Thanks again. Merrwa Jack.
Thanks for that thoughtful message. I have in fact irreversibly settled on the Sako 75 Hunter Stainless [walnut stock]. The dealer allowed me to change my order. I am away from home at themoment so this message must be brief. Thanks again. Merrwa Jack.
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deergoose
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I've seen the 75 Stainless before at one of my local gun shops. Don't think that you can go wrong w/ it. Good luck on your 'roo hunting.
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