First of all, I never accused you of being inexperienced or naive. If fact, I think you are quite knowledgeable & "seasoned", which is why your reaction to my post & the Creedmoor in general perplexes me. Because some gun rag or naive shooter overhypes something does that mean we should all hate it & ignore any good qualities? I said nothing about something being "deader", whatever that means, & never touted it as a supreme bench rest cartridge, nor claimed any superiority over another round. I don't hate any cartridge & am glad we have all the choices & options we do. Your definition of what the Creedmoor was "designed" to do is a very narrow one & many shooters have expanded it's use far beyond that. The gun industry, those are the guys that make all the stuff we use & enjoy, needs to innovate & offer new things or their business will die!!! Maybe not everything that is "new" is all that good or is interesting to everybody, but I'm happy that we at least have the options. All those cartridges you shoot at PDs were new and innovative rounds when introduced & if the shooters of that time took the same views as the Creedmoor haters, we would all still be shooting the 45-70 at them. I see this Creedmoor hate a lot & for the life of me can't understand why a cartridge can cause so much animosity. Lighten up, Kirk, and enjoy. No one is forcing you to shoot a Creedmoor.