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Thanks for all the info. That one on GB is the rifle.He went down to iwannas high end & I accepted. The wood is not special but for all intents & purposes its NIB. I just got a royal screwing from the big "C" who will remain nameless. I don't want to get kicked off the forum. Paid good money for a L461 in .222 that they rated excellent in all respects. Their professional photog is worth every penny they pay him.The gun had been used & abused inside & out.I guess I'll see when it gets here.I am sure a lot of guys would thinks that's a lot, but if it shoots like my other two, I'm happy.I'm pretty sure this one won't need to be re-barreled before I can shoot it.The highest bid on an auction with a "reserve" is not a good gauge of the market since serious bidders rarely bid on an item if they have no idea whether their bid will actually buy the gun. On the other hand, a "Buy It Now" price which no one opts for means that the BIN price is somewhere above market.
I can see absolutely no reason that a serious seller (or even a casual one) would set a reserve on an auction. Simply set the opening bid at the lowest price the seller is willing to accept and go from there -- that's much more straightforward and productive for both the buyer and seller.
I just got a royal screwing from the big "C" who will remain nameless. I don't want to get kicked off the forum. Paid good money for a L461 in .222 that they rated excellent in all respects. Their professional photog is worth every penny they pay him.The gun had been used & abused inside & out.
Well, that sounds like a little more detail is in order! By chance I came across a L461 on Cabelos Library,In the pictures the rifle looked like a "Safe Queen" the details stated excellent wood,bore & metal. My brother pulled it up on their web & said he thought it appeared new. I could only find two very small handle marks from enlarging the pics.As soon as i removed it from the wrappings I thought this is the wrong rifle, big surprise! The stock had numerous gouges and had been half-assed refinish which could be removed with a light scratch of a fingernail, brush marks were evident under the forearm. From bright to dull in several places. The "excellent bore" was so fowled with power residue it took dozens of patches, #9 bore cleaner and numerous trips with a brush to get a look a it. The rifling no where near "sharp". Looking at the bolt face there was evidence loads had been over charged & primer burn thru causing etching around the firing pin. My FFL dealer agreed, looking at the bolt. The only thing they got right was the slight amount of blueing lose at the end of the barrel. But not to worry, Cabelos will refund your money, they have a fabulous 3 day money-back guarantee.It will only cost you price of shipping both ways & you FFL charges & call-in to Uncle Sam. About 80 bucks to find out they have no idea how to judge the condition of a firearm.I'll be getting back with them when I clam down.If you've purchased a rifle which was misrepresented then you should request that the seller take it back for a full refund. If the seller doesn't want to do that, then you're well within bounds to post photos showing the problems with it here on SCC and name the seller. Most reputable dealers I've dealt with will take a gun back for a full refund (you pay the shipping) regardless of what you don't like about the gun, so long as you return it in the same condition as received.
I have got to say, I have purchased numerous firearms from GunBroker and never had the first issue with a sale. They actually go out of the way to make sure you know what you are getting.Well, that sounds like a little more detail is in order! By chance I came across a L461 on Cabelos Library,In the pictures the rifle looked like a "Safe Queen" the details stated excellent wood,bore & metal. My brother pulled it up on their web & said he thought it appeared new. I could only find two very small handle marks from enlarging the pics.As soon as i removed it from the wrappings I thought this is the wrong rifle, big surprise! The stock had numerous gouges and had been half-assed refinish which could be removed with a light scratch of a fingernail, brush marks were evident under the forearm. From bright to dull in several places. The "excellent bore" was so fowled with power residue it took dozens of patches, #9 bore cleaner and numerous trips with a brush to get a look a it. The rifling no where near "sharp". Looking at the bolt face there was evidence loads had been over charged & primer burn thru causing etching around the firing pin. My FFL dealer agreed, looking at the bolt. The only thing they got right was the slight amount of blueing lose at the end of the barrel. But not to worry, Cabelos will refund your money, they have a fabulous 3 day money-back guarantee.It will only cost you price of shipping both ways & you FFL charges & call-in to Uncle Sam. About 80 bucks to find out they have no idea how to judge the condition of a firearm.I'll be getting back with them when I clam down.
I was surprised Friday evening (9-26) with a call from a manager at Cabelos. After telling of all the issues I had with the rifle, he asked and received a list of out of pocket cost and said all cost would be refunded. I thanked him and wondered how many people just accepted purchases for what they were and never said a word. They did do the right thing but it never should have happened and I told him so. Live and learn! Signed former Cabelos customer.That's unfortunate, I suppose I would have looked at it as a 80 dollar lesson and sent it back. Those rifles seem to be the ones that constantly yank on your nerves. I've had my share of those but most were as a result of me not doing my due diligence. Cabelas usually gets a premium for their rifles might have been nice to let them continue to own that one.
It's great to get other peoples view of a bad situation. This has actually turned positive. This forum made that possible and I appreciate everyones input. Also not being big into forums I now know how a question about one subject can go in a total different direction. Thanks everyone for the feedback.I purchased a Sako from the Cabelas of the great northwest . . . over the phone. The clerk told me "no rust on the barrel, it must have been a bad photo on the net." So I gave them my credit card and my FFL. The gun came and sure enough the barrel had rust on the outside. They refunded every penny plus my shipping fees. I did not call or complain, I just shipped it back with a note for a refund.
I purchased a second Sako from Cabelas in Buda Texas. The clerk told me that they would give me 30 days to decide to keep the gun or not. Thats a plus that keeps me coming back.
Most credit card companies will put the heat on a store that will not back their products.
Nothing is more irritating than setting all day at a public auction waiting for a gun or an item that you are interested in . . . or a gun you have purchased at a gun show . . . to find out the next day something is wrong.
Public auctions and gun shows offer a no return policy. I prefer Cabelas over any auction or gun show.
PS: iwanna, I will post pics as soon as I figure out how !It's great to get other peoples view of a bad situation. This has actually turned positive. This forum made that possible and I appreciate everyones input. Also not being big into forums I now know how a question about one subject can go in a total different direction. Thanks everyone for the feedback.