Market value of "coltsmen" 300mag. H&H

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  1. Ken Frandle

    Ken Frandle Member

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    Hi Im new. My name is ken and this is my first forum for anything. I have been looking for anyone that can help me with a long gun. Its the reason that I have tried so hard to get on this awesome collectors forum. I have a coltsmen 300mag. H&H and would like to know the value of it.. Can anyone give me a general idea of its worth? If so Im thankful for your help.

     

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    stonecreek SCC Secretary Forum Owner SCC Board Member

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    Some good, clear photos would help. There were several different versions of the "Coltsman", some with FN Mauser actions and some with Sako actions. They also offered both a standard and a Deluxe version. Without a little more information and some photos to judge condition no one's guess at value would have any meaning.
     
  3. Ken Frandle

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    Thank you for getting back to me so soon. The rifle is not with me {Its with family} but I can get some pics and more info on it. People close want me to sell it but I Do not wish to so I am trying to get an idea of what to pay each of them so it can stay in the family. The bolt looks just like the one in my k98 but not sure if that helps... I looks like it was kept in a valt for fifty years after just being taken out the box. Its beautiful. I have had a hard time getting any info on the gun at all well that's until I found you all. Its been great reading all you all have to offer.
     
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    ricksengines Sako-addicted

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    The overpriced 300 HH deluxe coltsman sold right away. Supply and demand, I guess.
     
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    icebear Sako-addicted

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    I'm not convinced that was overpriced. That's a beautiful, rare, high condition gun in a rare caliber. If I collected Deluxes, I'd have seriously considered it.
     
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    paulsonconstruction Sako-addicted

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    It appears to me that the Sako action dovetails have been milled off to make it a "round top" action. Probably done after it left the factory. Whether that overrides it's rarity & otherwise wonderful condition would be up to the buyer, if he is even aware of the alteration. Looks like a case of "it's worth what a willing buyer & willing seller agree to" & not a price I would use as a benchmark of it's market value. If it had not been altered I would have been very interested. As it is, the price deterred me. I agree with Rick. The OP also stated that his bolt "looked just like his K98 bolt" which tells me his rifle is the earlier Coltsman built on the FN Mauser action & not the same rifle as the one on GI built on the Sako L61R action.
     
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    icebear Sako-addicted

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    I saw that it was a round top action, but I thought some of the Sako-Coltsman rifles were built on round top actions. My memory may be off on this, but I do find it a bit hard to understand why anyone would spend the money to do that kind of machine work, especially on a deluxe grade rifle.
     
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    I have not seen many Sako Coltsman but all had dovetails. There is a L57 standard and L579 deluxe on GB now with dovetails. Both bofors. I looked at the 300H&H when Gassman listed and decided rightly or wrongly the dovetails had been removed. Will keep looking at future guns to see if Coltsman with L series actions have dovetails.
     
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    ricksengines Sako-addicted

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    Over the years I have looked at a lot of Sako L57 receivers and to my knowledge I have never seen a round top L57 receiver. We know that Sako produced L461 receivers in both dovetail and round top versions but L57 receivers were produced much earlier than the L461 receiver so I can only conclude that the Coltsman receiver had been machined to remove the dovetails. Either that or Colt had Sako produce a Roundtop variety specifically for the Coltsman rifle (very unlikely).

    Just my two cents worth on this subject.

    rick
     
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    paulsonconstruction Sako-addicted

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    All Sako action Coltsman I know of have dovetails. I own three. An early one on a L57 from the late 50's and one on a L461 & one on a L61R from the early 60's.
     
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    paulsonconstruction Sako-addicted

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    The 300 H&H could not have been built on a L57. The action in question is a L61R.
     
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    paulsonconstruction Sako-addicted

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    The top of the action bridges look to me to have a "matte" finish (possibly cold blued?) & don't match the rest of the metal. Not something I would think the factory would do on a Deluxe model, or any model for that matter. I've learned never to say never about all things Sako, but I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that that rifle was butchered after it left the factory. I never cease to be amazed at what otherwise intelligent people will do to a firearm. That rifle could have truly been a prize catch if it hadn't been "BUBBA'd".
     
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    Sako made the Colt Deluxe 300 H&H's with a round top receiver.

    I use to have one.
     
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    Come to think about it, I have a Sako Deluxe Special in 222 that has the round top.
     
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    I have belatedly read this thread. I have owned several coltsman deluxe rifles in different sized actions. To my experience, there is a mixture of round top and sako dovetail actions. I thought this was well known. There are too many round top actions out there on coltsmans believe that people paid to get the dovetails milled off. Admittedly, these rifles are not commonly found to make definitive conclusions either way.
     
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    paulsonconstruction Sako-addicted

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    Since my initial post on this thread I have found two other Coltsman round top Deluxes like the one pictured here. They have the exact same funky "matte" finish where the dovetails were milled off. So, the mod to the dovetails is apparently "factory". Whether it was done at the Sako plant or at the Colt facility after import is the mystery. My suspicion is that Colt did it, as it would have been easy for Sako to make them round tops before polishing & bluing. So, I'm thinking "Bubba" Colt is the guilty party.
     
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    Thank you all for your input and vast knowledge. You have given me far more information on this unicorn of a rifle. It's been great learning about this gun knowing that any group or brand of long gun has details that would never cross my mind. I think it's great that we {Americans} still have people that find information interesting and are willing to lend the rest of us their particular genus on the matters. I will let you know more information if I get the rifle as the seller has faded into black or so it would seem. I just can't stop thinking about the shape of that 300mag H&H its in my mind the iconic shape of any high power rifle and I hope to own it soon. Vote TRUMP. Grateful Ken.
     
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    I have been watching that rifle for at least a couple months and couldn't convince myself to buy it because of the matte finish. I've seen L61 coltsman with a round top receiver that was totally glossy blue, but this is the first L61 Deluxe Coltsman I've seen with a round receiver that has a matte finish on top. That made me shy away.
     
  20. Ken Frandle

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    I hope my reference of we meaning Americans was not a dig on all others it was an appreciation of things from the past being remembered and not looked at like something bad. Our country has changed a lot and so have some of the people. I grew up in a please and thank you family and most often i meant it when i said it. I have learned and seen a lot threw the years and know that its a failing practice being polite which is sad to me in a real way. Now after all that has been done to our beautiful countrys late history I just fear Kindness is on the chopping block but from where I have been standing kindness has been standing in the next spot in line for a long time. Ao sad. Very different from that has been all of your help and willingness to give knowledge just so its not lost forever is all been awesome. You are all great and what you do for others is why the word "GOOD" was put into the cornerstone of our language. Good Hunting All. ken
     

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