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Introduction and doubt

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postalobera

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Greetings to all from Spain!
IxB4m new around and a Sako user. I own a Finnbear on 7mmRM and a AV on .338WM that IxB4d like to introduce to you, along with a technical question/doubt.
The rifles:

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The question:
Can anyone tell me whatxB4 s the sense of the small pin shown on the picture? Is it normal that I can take it out as easily as just pulling it out with the fingers? Whenever I load strongly, the pin exits from the hole.
Althou bolts of both rifles are interchangeable, only the Finnbear posses that pin.
Any help, please?
Many thanks.
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Postalobera- Beautiful rifles. Please feel free to send more photos of your rifles. (a little larger if possible). I wish I could help with the question on the pin but I don't have any of the newer rifles. Some of the guys here will be able to help, I'm sure. Welcome to the forum.-Misako
 
postalobera,
Welcome to the forum. Very nice pictures. What kind of game do you hunt in Spain? It's nice to have you on board.
As to the pin, I believe it was first seen in the model 74 and later. Like misako, I have no newer Sako rifles either. Mine are all pre-72 L61R's. This question has come up before and as I recall many of us were wondering what it's exact function is. Members stonecreek and hayseed may know. They are the "nuts and bolts" experts.
As for me, I don't have a clue. If the rifle functions fine with or without it it seems strange. We generally use the "pin" to distinguish the model change during/after the transition period in the '70's for Sako.
I'm sure someone on here knows.
Regards,
S-A
 
sala-ampuja said:
Members stonecreek and hayseed may know.
I've always wondered about that pin and still don't have a clue.

It is one of the very few modifications, besides the famous switch from three lug to two lug, made on the L61R action itself throughout its production. Others are the shape of the magazine floor plate tang which went from square to round and the magazine release button which went from "s" curved to plunger-style. Then I guess there is also the smooth tops of the M72 dovetails. If you count the A-III style bolt shroud which appeared on a few L61R's, then that would be another. Come to think of it, there are a lot of L61R variations! How about the round-top used on H&R rifles? Oh, and I guess that you need to count the different bolt guide used on the three vs. two lug actions, also.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the L579 or L461 ever used the pin in the side of the cocking piece that is in question here. Correct?
 
sala-ampuja</p> said:
postalobera,Welcome to the forum. Very nice pictures. What kind of game do you hunt in Spain? It's nice to have you on board.
Thanks a lot.
As for big game we hunt: Spanish Ibex, European Mouflon, Spanish Red Deer, Roe Deer, Fallow Deer, Wild Boar, Barbary Sheep, Iberian Gray Wolf and Baleares IslandsxB4 Wild Goat, and the two chamoix species: the Cantabrian and the Pyrenean.
We also have, thou heavily protected, the Eurasian Brown Bear and Iberian Lynx. Not even one week ago, the first specimens of European Bison, long ago inhabitant of our lands a latter extinted, came from Poland. It is a project to re-introduce this beautyful animal on a medium-long term basis.
Stonecreek, thanks for your answer, thou It isnxB4t still clear what the use of the pin is. I believe that it could be a kind of a stop when the bolt turns, as its normal position is as it appears on the first picture; it doesnxB4t go any deeper.
 
We also consider the Great Wood Cock and the Bastard Bird as big game, thou they are now protected too.
 
postalobera,
That's a great variety of game you mention. I have to admit that I wouldn't know a "Bastard Bird" if it bit me in the a@@! I'm sure there is some variation over here since bastards seem to show up everywhere :bigsmile3:. Maybe it's our version of the buzzard or condor?
I think what stonecreek is getting at is one never knows what surprises came out of Sako those days and there seemed to be no rhyme or reason for the mods they made. I'm sure most of them were profit motivated. Somewhere there is a Finn that would know. Maybe it's Finnish humor aimed at the rest of the world to cause confusion. Who knows.
I hope I live long enough to make it to Spain to hunt. Do they make it difficult for foreign nationals to get permits, or do you need a PH?
Great explanation of what is available there hunting-wise. Thank you.
regards,
S-A
 
Postalobera- The "PIN"! Is there a small hole in the cocking indicator bottom (Bolt shroud)?-Misako
 
SexF1or P. - To follow up on S-A's hunting questions, how difficult is it for foreigners to bring their hunting rifles or shotguns into and out of Spain? And also get a hunting license, expensive? I ask because it looks like I will be coming to your beautiful country annually. In fact I'm in Pamplona right now. B. Smith
 
Hunting in Spain isnxB4t difficult for foreigners. Hunting license is not particulary expensive, and bringing your own hunting weapons in & out are nor a major problem. As every country, we have regulations on this matter that must be fulfilled, but nothing really special.
It is advisable to contact a national hunting agency, in order to have everything organised and to come over just to enjoy, and not to solve problems out. When youxB4re abroad, a small problem easily seems like a big one. But as always, it also depends on the experience of everyone.
If anyone is interested on this, I can gladly be of some help by giving some recomendations about WHO could be the outfitter depending on WHAT to hunt.
Here is a picture of the Bastard Bird. It is the biggest flying bird on Earth, coming to weight up to 40 lbs. When they were a huntable species, they were hunted either flying using heavy shells (those for fox and stuff like that) and with rifles (varmint calibers) for shots up to 300 yards.
It has never been an easy hunt, as they are always aware, and have a fantastic sense of sight.
Nowadays are again quite healthy in numbers and limited hunts have been propossed (bear in mind that a hunter may be well ready to pay 3.500U$ up), using the trophy fee to support the BastardxB4s status. Greens are against, so nothing to do by now (they care about their own status too :bigsmile3:.
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Posta, In what part of Spain is this bird found and what is its name in Spanish? B. Smith
 
In spanish AVUTARDA; scientific name in latin Otis tarda.
They are well spread avoiding mountaineous places. More or less on the marked provinces of this map:
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postalobera,
OK. I see now. From the characteristics, they sound (and look) very similar to our Wild Turkey, only much larger. " Country Cousins", also worthy of the name "Bastard". These things are a challenge to hunt here as well.
Thanks.
S-A
 
The Kori Bustards I saw in Namibia were represented to me as the largest/heaviest flying birds. Wikipedia lists them as "possibly the heaviest birds in flight", so Postalobera's Bastard bird may well be able to co-claim the title. I would assume the Kori and the Spanish Bastard bird are part of the same avian family.

I'm told that the Kalahari Bushmen are very effective hunters of the Kori Bustard. It seems that the birds are so heavy that the only way they can become airborne is to take off into the wind. The Bushmen simply sneak up on them from upwind, then knock them from the air with a long stick or a well-thrown rock as they attempt to take off toward the hunter like a loaded B-29 lumbering down the runway as it attempts to gain altitude.

Kori Bustard:
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Kori belongs to the same Otididae familly but is a different species, not as heavy (up to 25 lbs.), and only found in Africa.
 

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