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Finnbear Action vs. A III Action

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Aloha all,

This may be another question for Jim Stanley:

What is(are) the difference(s) between the Finnbear action and the A III action?

My A III was imported by Stoeger; my Finnbear was imported by Garcia. My A III is a beautiful Deluxe .300 Win Mag. and my Finnbear is a beautiful dark chocolate Sporter (or Standard) in 7mm Rem. Mag.

I can see the stock differences easily, what are the action differences?

Mahalo from Hawaii,
rcrwin70
 
All of the long-action Sakos were called "Finnbear" up through the AV model (just as the short actions were "Vixens" and the medium actions were "Foresters"). Your Garcia-imported Finnbear is an L-61R action. Your Stoeger-imported .300 is also a Finnbear and has the A III action.

The differences in the actions are minor. The early "pre-Garcia" L61R actions had a third locking lug at the rear of the bolt opposite the bolt handle. This "safety" lug was dropped soon after Garcia took over importing Sakos and was absent for the remainder of the L61R production.. The two-lug L61R's and the AIII's differ mostly in the A III having a shrouded cocking piece. But, hold on: Some very late L61R actions also had the shrouded cocking piece. I have a Stoeger-imported .300 Winchester that has an L61R action with such a shrouded cocking piece.

Insofar as I am aware, all parts are interchagable between the two-lug L61R and the A III. Curiously, the AV was virutually identical to the A III but had a slightly longer tang.
 
Aloha Stonecreekranch,

That answer was fabulous! If the barrel contours of the 7mm and the 300 Win Mag are identical (I don't know that they are), theorethically then, the stocks would be interchangeable, is that correct? Not that I want to screw them up, I'm just trying to understand the similarities and differences.

But, you answered my question and then some. It was also a big help to understand how the AV fits into the picture.

Did the deletion of the rear safety lug affect the smoothness of the action?

Thanks again,
rcrwin70
Author of The Rifleman's Rifle on pre-64 Model 70s
 
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