Sako AV bolt only closes in “fire” position?

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  1. Bernie’s Dad

    Bernie’s Dad Well-Known Member

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    My new AV will only go into battery with the safety in fire position. My older L61R will go into battery in safe. Did Sako change this on purpose? If so why? Am I missing something?



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  2. Bernie’s Dad

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    Clarification: it is only “new” to me. It is a EuroClassic bring back from 1979. Maybe European safety laws were different?


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    The Sako #4 trigger safety lever normally locks the bolt in the closed position, when the lever is in the "safe" position.
    A "tab", on the lever, slides into a slot at the underside/root of the bolthandle. This "tab" is hand ground/filed to a profile that allows the bolthandle to push the lever forward......should the safety be somehow put/left in the "safe" position.....when the bolt is pushed forward and closed.
    The resistance to the lever moving forward is governed by the pressure of the ball detent on the lever plate........adjusted by the left side trigger housing screw/spring.

    These trigger assembly differences may be the root of your problem.

    This would be easy to "show".........but hard to type. :)

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Bernie’s Dad Well-Known Member

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    Thank you.

    Ok, so if I understand you this bolt should close in safe? It just needs some adjusting in the trigger screws?


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    No........there are no adjustments made to the two(or one) screws that would affect the trigger pull.
    The ball detent pressure, on the safety lever bracket, is adjusted via a small slotted plug screw on the upper left side of the trigger's main housing. It affects the felt "stiffness" of pushing the safety lever fore and aft.

    edit: Be very careful not to lose the 3mm ball detent(or it's spring or screw)........NOT easily found at the local hardware store. :)
     
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    Old Hippie Formerly known as bloorooster

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    Hmm..I’ve never noticed any of my #4 type safeties operating this way.
    When I operate the bolt, as in loading the rifle for use, goes this way…safe direction, safety lever off, open bolt, load magazine, close bolt on live round, safety lever on…bolt will not open again until safety lever is moved to off position..muzzle again in safe direction, drop floor plate, empty magazine, safety off, open bolt, extract and eject round…gun clear. I’ve never tried to switch to ‘safe’ before closing the bolt again, on a round or empty either way.
    I don’t have access to my rifles at this time but I’m interested in this function or malfunction.

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    I’ll check when I get home. Thanks again!


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    Yes, you are closing the bolt on a live round in “fire “ position. But my FinnBear let’s me close it in “safe.”


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    An unmodified L61R (or AV) bolt will not open with the safety in the "safe" (rearward) position. Therefore, to close the bolt with the safety in the rearward position would require placing the safety in the "safe" (rearward) position with the bolt open, which is a very unusual operating procedure -- although it can be done.

    Out of curiosity, I tried this unconventional use of the safety and found that the bolt will close after the safety has been moved to the rear with the bolt open, but the action of closing the bolt tends to move the safety out of the "safe" position and toward the "fire" position.

    In my opinion, moving the safety to the rear with the bolt open is a poor practice which won't ensure that the rifle is "on safe" once the bolt is closed. The safety should be operated ONLY with the bolt closed as it is designed to do.
     
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    Ok. I was at the range and I probably opened the bolt and put the safety on before dropping a cartridge in. Just being safe. Then tried to close the bolt and couldn’t. Had to put it in fire to close the bolt. Seemed unsafe. Checked my L61R and it lets me close it in safe. Found that odd.


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    Agreed, that’s where I was with it too!

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    Picture with safety on and off. Small rod goes up and down. When up (safe) it blocks the bolt from going forward. [​IMG]


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    I am not touching this. Will just leave it as is.


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    Good idea! Ain’t broke, don’t fix! :rolleyes:
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    Amen! I was just feeling like a dork at the range when I couldn’t close the bolt. Ultimately figured it out but that lead me to wonder about my other rifles and why I put it in safe. Turns out the other ones allow it. Oh well. Live and learn.


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    Stone.....

    I can only imagine that the "fitting" of the bolt lock tab, of the #4 trigger, by Sako was intentional......and to operate in the manner you described.
    Why??......I can only think of one situation.
    That situation being one involving dangerous game.
    Having fired the first shot, the shooter "underhands" the bolt......and pulls up and rearward. In doing so, his hand/glove bottom drags along the safety button.....pulling it rearward, to "safe".
    Unknowing.....the shooter pushes the bolt forward, to chamber a second round.

    Here's the catch........IF the bolt lock tab was NOT "fitted", the bolt handle would NOT close......and mr. shooter is S.O.L. BUT.....since the tab IS fitted, the bolt handle would fully close......and the most the shooter would have to do is push the safety button a little bit more forward to fire.

    This make any sense?? Whadaya think?

    B's Dad........

    Your two pictures do not look like a Sako #4 trigger.
    It could be an optical delusion on my part.

    Have you confirmed that both rifles' trigger assemblies are identical?

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    The other rifle is an L61R from 1972. I can post pics tomorrow of that trigger. This one says AV on it. It is a EuroClassic bring back from 1979.


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  20. Old Hippie

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    I’m gonna guess here , that the trigger on the 79 Euro may be a Tikka type.
    I have a Sako Fiberclass AV 25/06 with the same trigger.

    Hippie
     
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