1971 L579 Deluxe .308 Garcia? or PreGarcia? or not?

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  1. jabberwock

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    Howdy - I have read a bunch of stuff on Bofors and Garcia, but what if my Sako L579 .308 Forester Deluxe was purchased in 1972 in England? It has the fancy light wood Monte Carlo stock and the impala floor plate. No Bofors stamp, but it was not imported to the US until after it was purchased (by my Pops). I have never seen a .308 with the impala floor plate.


    It does not seem fair to call it a pre or post Garcia since it was not "imported" to the US before it was purchased. I am curious as to any insight that the members here may have on this particular rifle. Pops still hunts with it. It is a fantastic weapon! Thanks for looking!
     
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    paulsonconstruction Sako-addicted

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    Garcia & pre-Garcia are terms used only by Americans to differentiate between importers & certain changes Sako made around the time importers changed. The rest of the world didn't have the same importers & the importers didn't change, so the terms have no meaning to them. There have been some threads here about what features pre-Garcia & Garcia rifles are claimed to have that are enlightening & worth reading. Bottom line is that Sako made changes to their rifles over a time period that was roughly coincidental to when they changed importers from Firearms International (FI) to Garcia. People then started erroneously associating the changes being caused or mandated by the importer & tried to draw a definitive line for when these changes occurred as being when importers changed. Facts are that late FI imports showed the same changes as the early Garcia imports, so like everything Sako, the line is spread out over time & the changes had nothing to do with importers. Yours is obviously a Deluxe model & the Sakolope (impala, as you call it) is one of the most common floorplate engravings. The changes made by Sako during that time period were mainly in barrel contour & stock shape, so the only way to tell with your rifle is to find an earlier one & compare. If your rifle was made in 1972 I'm guessing it could possibly show the changes Sako made, but who knows when it left the factory & how long it sat on the shelf. The changes could have been over a different time frame with the Deluxe models as well. Others here can probably add more insight.
     
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    Nope. Paulson pegged it on the "pre-Garcia/Garcia" issue, and everything else.

    Sometimes people will refer to "pre-1972" Sakos, but that is only an approximation of when some of the modifications started showing up. Others tend to divide them into "Bofors" and "non-Bofors", but again, both Bofors-marked barrels and unmarked barrels can be found on rifles with overlapping dates of inspection and varying modifications.

    Each Sako is something of an individual. Rifles in identical calibers and configurations inspected on the same day can exhibit slightly different features (barrel markings, bottom metal, number of locking lugs, etc.)
     
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    One more change that occurred in the early 70's was that Sako begin to use a little more attractive wood on the Deluxe Sporters. Quite a few have beautiful wood.
     
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    Awesome, great info. I am thankful for all of your knowledge. I am pretty sure the rifle was manufactured in 1971, purchased in 1972. You say the "Sakolope" was the most common engraving. Is that true for the .308 caliber? I have never seen another one.

    Here is a cool note. We still have the original box...
    I owe you guys some pictures, it will take me a couple days but I will get them posted, many thanks!
     
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    paulsonconstruction Sako-addicted

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    The L579 in 308 Win, as well as the 22-250 & 220 Swift, was made in far fewer numbers than the 243 Win. The number of Deluxes in 308 is probably relatively low as well, so seeing one regardless of engraving is not common. The Sakolope, in general, is very common throughout the Deluxe models so I don't think that would make a 308 with that engraving more desirable than any other. Other opinions may vary.
     
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    Yes. At one time I had a dozen or so dlx .308s, and most of them had the Sakolope. The early L579s exhibited different patterns, but that can be said for any of the early rifles.

    DeerGoose
     
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    Hi Some pics of my 308 win also not sure if it's a Forester deluxe or not,maybe someone can help me ,nevertheless great rifle. Serial number is 58XXX
    Thx
     

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    paulsonconstruction Sako-addicted

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    Johan: Your rifle is a standard sporter from the 1960's. The Deluxe models had blonde wood with rosewood forearm tip & grip cap, skip line checkering, floorplate/trigger guard engraving & a highly polished blued finish. Pictures of Deluxes are abundant on our site. The serial number indicates it is within the range that the club has factory records for. So you can request the info by clicking on Factory Records Service in the upper left of this page.
     
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    Thx Paul I'll going to shoot them a email
     
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    First off, Sako lost a lawsuit in 1968 and had to never mark their rifles with the Bofors Steel ever again. Second, as for me I wouldn't give a hoot if it were a pre Garcia or not. The Garcia era rifles had beefier barrels and it's my experience they shoot better groups that the older ones. Lastly, I have a record and pictures of SN 86955 a 69-70 .308 rifle that has the Impala so I guess they switch it over around that time. I never did like the crazy design on the older L579's but the pine cone was cool!
     
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    not sure this is the right place but I have been looking at reported Deluxe 338 with a blonde stock with a rosewood forearm tip, but it has a wood bolt handle and a barrel with no front site. Also, another Deluxe that has a blonde stock but no rosewood forearm tip and no engraved floor plate. Not sure about the 338 but I know of no Deluxe guns that didn't have engraving on the floor plate. Any thoughts on these two guns would be appreciated.
     
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    Without pictures it's pretty hard to tell. Lot's of "custom" guns out there that people try to pass off as Deluxe Sakos to the unknowledgeable. Always good to ask first, but without more info I'm afraid it will be difficult to help you.
     
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    Or, sellers lacking knowledge or misinformed by one source or another simply misrepresent a custom or even standard Sako as "Deluxe". Like Paulson says, post some photos and you will get an instant assessment of the model and originality of the Sako in question.
     
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    The gun is on gunbroker.com. I am fairly sure, due to the fact that the serial number is 582583 that the action is Pre Garcia; the barrel may or may not be original due to lack of sights, and the stock looks like it might be custom not sako
     
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    That is an early AIII, standard grade. It has the distinctive style of checkering with lines in only one direction in the points, which was used for a short time, I don't recall exactly when. Nice wood, looks refinished. Barrel without sights could be original; A-series guns are found both with and without sights. You'd need to see the barrel markings to be sure.
     
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    You need to educate yourself about the pre-Garcia/Garcia myth. It means absolutely nothing! Basing anything from a serial number is a fool's errand when it comes to Sako. Firearms International imported rifles (pre-Garcia) ended with 5 digit serial numbers under 90,000. The distinctive "Herringbone" checkering was from the second half of the 1980's & your serial number also suggest that time frame. So that rifle was a Stoeger import & not even close to the pre- Garcia import era which ended around 1972!!!! Your interpretation of serial numbers is about 15 years off!!!! That rifle, if chambered in 270 Win, is most likely an AV model in standard sporter configuration. I've not seen a "Herringbone" checkered AIII with the "satin" finish nor an AV checkered & finished that way with the waffle pad, so I'm guessing it is a transition gun from just before the time they changed to the solid red recoil pad that most AV's had in the late 1980's. I have a Stoeger imported AI with the same checkering & finish that I bought new in 1986. This is just my opinion & subject to correction by others more knowledgeable. A pic of the left side of the action would confirm if it is an AIII or AV. BTW, that rifle came sans sights.
     
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