northernlights
Well-Known Member
You don't see these .223 "Bofors Steel" marked Sakos for sale very often.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=487076452
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=487076452
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L461 "Bofors Steel" marked .223 Rem
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scottbitterman
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bin price was 2k and it sold wow
deergoose
Sako-addicted
Great Rocky!!!
you can really find 'em my friend. More power to ya !......they only made a handful of Bofors fullstocks in .223. The rarest of the rare, I do believe. Is yours a carbine or full rifle length barrel? I've got one in 24" bbl, and if memory serves it was built in 1970 and came in via Canada. No Bofors on this one. I think I've gotten a couple in .223 by way of Canada. I do know I picked up a heavy bbl model and sporter in NJ and PA, years ago when I was traveling to the Northeast quite a bit for work.
DeerGoose
you can really find 'em my friend. More power to ya !......they only made a handful of Bofors fullstocks in .223. The rarest of the rare, I do believe. Is yours a carbine or full rifle length barrel? I've got one in 24" bbl, and if memory serves it was built in 1970 and came in via Canada. No Bofors on this one. I think I've gotten a couple in .223 by way of Canada. I do know I picked up a heavy bbl model and sporter in NJ and PA, years ago when I was traveling to the Northeast quite a bit for work.
DeerGoose
I've seen quite a number more Bofors-marked .22-250's than Bofors-marked .223's. This is despite the commercial introduction by Remington of the .223 in 1964 followed by the .22-250 in 1965 (source is Wikipedia, but I've check against other sources and they're right). In fact, I own both a standard Bofors sporter and a Deluxe Bofors sporter in .22-250, but am yet to come across a Bofors .223. From this, and other anecdotal evidence, I have to conclude there just aren't as many of the .223's.
So, if the .223 preceded the .22-250 as a commercial cartridge, why wasn't Sako also chambering the .223 earlier and thus have made more of them with Bofors barrels?
Perhaps it has something to do with Browning offering the .22-250 as a wildcat cartridge in the Safari in 1963 (again, according to Wiki). Since Sako was building the Browning Safari barreled actions, they would have been chambering the .22-250 even before it was a commercially standardized cartridge. And once Remington announced their .22-250, Sako would have been in a position to start cranking them out immediately. On the other hand, it appears that Sako waited and watched a while before deciding to add the .223 to its line of chamberings, maybe not being sure whether it would survive the competition from having both a larger (.222 Rem Mag) and smaller (.222 Rem) on either side of it on the same case head.
This is just speculation on my part. And Sako ain't sayin'. . .
So, if the .223 preceded the .22-250 as a commercial cartridge, why wasn't Sako also chambering the .223 earlier and thus have made more of them with Bofors barrels?
Perhaps it has something to do with Browning offering the .22-250 as a wildcat cartridge in the Safari in 1963 (again, according to Wiki). Since Sako was building the Browning Safari barreled actions, they would have been chambering the .22-250 even before it was a commercially standardized cartridge. And once Remington announced their .22-250, Sako would have been in a position to start cranking them out immediately. On the other hand, it appears that Sako waited and watched a while before deciding to add the .223 to its line of chamberings, maybe not being sure whether it would survive the competition from having both a larger (.222 Rem Mag) and smaller (.222 Rem) on either side of it on the same case head.
This is just speculation on my part. And Sako ain't sayin'. . .
L-46
Well-Known Member
SC,
My conclusion as well, the 223 Bofors is a rare bird, never seen over here.
The 222Mag in Europe was very well established and favored round, with many rifle makers chambering in it.
In Aust and NZ the 222 was a favorite long into the 80's. I bet the 222 has accounted for more game over here than any other cartridge!
I can remember in the '90's swapping from the deuce to the 223 for a short time and then back to the deuce again. It was not till the late 90's i chambered a barrel in 223AI and never looked back.
Possibily the '250 was more readily accepted being a wildcat on the well know 250 savage, and the 223 being a new design and had to gain popularity among hunters.
L-46
My conclusion as well, the 223 Bofors is a rare bird, never seen over here.
The 222Mag in Europe was very well established and favored round, with many rifle makers chambering in it.
In Aust and NZ the 222 was a favorite long into the 80's. I bet the 222 has accounted for more game over here than any other cartridge!
I can remember in the '90's swapping from the deuce to the 223 for a short time and then back to the deuce again. It was not till the late 90's i chambered a barrel in 223AI and never looked back.
Possibily the '250 was more readily accepted being a wildcat on the well know 250 savage, and the 223 being a new design and had to gain popularity among hunters.
L-46
scottbitterman
Well-Known Member
Even with the rarity of the 223 in bofors i just do not see many 22-250s with bofors either
deergoose
Sako-addicted
'bout the same here, Scott.....but I give a slight nod to the -250 for availability. I'm missing a Bofors fullstock in -250, have all the rest. But, I'm missing Bofors .223s in fullstock and Heavy Barrel. Have the deluxe and sporter only.
My question is this: Where are all the .375s? In my opinion, a good clean older .375 in ANY configuration is just as hard to find as any of them.
DeerGoose
My question is this: Where are all the .375s? In my opinion, a good clean older .375 in ANY configuration is just as hard to find as any of them.
DeerGoose
douglastwo
Sako-addicted
Sako may have been holding up production of the 223 for a year or so after 1964 to see how many barrels of different caliber Browning was going to order from Sako. Browning decided to go to Sako for the 284W, 243W, 308W, 222, 222 Mag and 22-250. Browning decided to not produce the 223. I'm glad that Sako decided to go ahead with the 223 in their line. It's a pity that Browning dropped the Sako Browning and the FN rifles from their line in 1976.
It's a pity that Browning dropped the Sako Browning and the FN rifles from their line in 1976. -- douglastwo
Indeed it is.
In the fall of 1976 a modest bit of good financial fortune had fallen on me, so I had the luxury of a bit of indulgence uncommon for a young family man. Just by chance, someone in the family had brought home a copy of the Lubbock (TX) Avalanche-Journal in which the J.C. Penney store, of all places, had an advertisement closing out their Browning Safaris for $349.
Our son had just been born the year before, so I thought I might buy him a keepsake. We dashed off to Lubbock, about 125 miles away, with cash in hand, to buy, hopefully, a pencil barrel .243 for him -- the perfect rifle for a young shooter.
When we got to the store the clerk in the sporting goods section told me that he was sorry, but he only had one caliber left -- .243! But he had "several" of them. "Well, might I look through some of them to select the wood I like best?" Sure, no problem, was the reply.
He took me into the stock room where, to my astonishment, I was overwhelmed with about two dozen long black boxes with gold lettering. I sorted through enough of them to get a little embarrassed with my greediness, so finally settled on an especially nice one from among the first half-dozen.
Well, of course my son grew up knowing that the gun in the black box with gold lettering was his special gun, which he could shoot when he was ready. But I urged him not to shoot it until he was big enough that the stock need not be cut. Ironically, by the time he was that big he was already a pretty well-experience deer hunter (using a cut-down Remington) and wanted something bigger than a .243. Thus, since he had access to a number of fine hunting rifles, including by that time his own Sako Deluxe .30-06, his Safari was never shot. So when he was about 20 he found a particular item he wanted more than his Browning and I arranged to sell it for him for about three times what I had paid.
I've never had too much regret about losing the little Safari. It was just too pretty and seemingly delicate to shoot so would have languished in its box for decades, a fate no fine rifle should meet.
Indeed it is.
In the fall of 1976 a modest bit of good financial fortune had fallen on me, so I had the luxury of a bit of indulgence uncommon for a young family man. Just by chance, someone in the family had brought home a copy of the Lubbock (TX) Avalanche-Journal in which the J.C. Penney store, of all places, had an advertisement closing out their Browning Safaris for $349.
Our son had just been born the year before, so I thought I might buy him a keepsake. We dashed off to Lubbock, about 125 miles away, with cash in hand, to buy, hopefully, a pencil barrel .243 for him -- the perfect rifle for a young shooter.
When we got to the store the clerk in the sporting goods section told me that he was sorry, but he only had one caliber left -- .243! But he had "several" of them. "Well, might I look through some of them to select the wood I like best?" Sure, no problem, was the reply.
He took me into the stock room where, to my astonishment, I was overwhelmed with about two dozen long black boxes with gold lettering. I sorted through enough of them to get a little embarrassed with my greediness, so finally settled on an especially nice one from among the first half-dozen.
Well, of course my son grew up knowing that the gun in the black box with gold lettering was his special gun, which he could shoot when he was ready. But I urged him not to shoot it until he was big enough that the stock need not be cut. Ironically, by the time he was that big he was already a pretty well-experience deer hunter (using a cut-down Remington) and wanted something bigger than a .243. Thus, since he had access to a number of fine hunting rifles, including by that time his own Sako Deluxe .30-06, his Safari was never shot. So when he was about 20 he found a particular item he wanted more than his Browning and I arranged to sell it for him for about three times what I had paid.
I've never had too much regret about losing the little Safari. It was just too pretty and seemingly delicate to shoot so would have languished in its box for decades, a fate no fine rifle should meet.
douglastwo
Sako-addicted
Neat story Stonecreek. The story about Penneys doesn't surprise me. I grew up in Odessa in the 60's and the Walgreens store there was the absolute best gun store you can imagine. Every model Sako with duplicates to chose from. And all the Brownings you dream of. That's where in 1962 I purchased my first 7mm mag, a Remington 700 BDL for a discounted price of $117. I think they told me it was the first 7 mag in Odessa. The guys on our Ozona deer lease couldn't believe how big the 7 mag round looked.
My father-in-law bought a Browning BAR .270 at Dillards, a department store where you now mostly go for eye make-up and designer sneakers, in Austin around the mid-1970's. Times do change.
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